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Jason Zengerle on Tucker Carlson

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麻豆果冻传媒 2023 Fellow Jason Zengerle spoke about his book, Hated by All the Right People, for “Three questions” in The Fifth Draft, the Fellows Program’s monthly newsletter. Zengerle is a contributing writer for The New York Times Magazine, where he covers politics and national affairs.

Your Fellowship project will be a book that focuses on former Fox News host Tucker Carlson. Why was Carlson the ideal entry point for discussing the rise in popularity and influence of conservative media?

Carlson is interesting to me for several reasons. One, he鈥檚 become the most powerful conservative media figure in the U.S. at the very moment when conservative media has become, arguably, the most powerful force in American politics. Two, his career鈥攆rom his early days as a writer for The Weekly Standard聽to his time hosting CNN鈥檚 Crossfire to his founding of The Daily Caller website to his huge success at Fox News鈥攖ells the larger story of how conservative media (and conservative politics) have changed over the last 30 years. Three, he鈥檚 just a fascinating character study鈥攕omeone who lays bare the incentives that exist in media and in politics today. Whenever two or more political journalists get together for drinks these days, it seems that they inevitably start ruminating on the question of 鈥淲hat happened to Tucker?鈥 I do want to try answer that, but I also want to answer a bigger question: What happened to us?

Just like Donald Trump upended Republican politics, Carlson has upended conservative media.

What does Carlson鈥檚 mean for your project, and for conservative media at large?

It鈥檚 certainly a plot twist鈥攐ne that I (and, I鈥檓 fairly certain, he) didn鈥檛 see coming. But I think it raises the stakes for both my book and for conservative media as a whole. The conventional wisdom has long been that Fox News, rather than any particular Fox News host, is the actual star. Glenn Beck, Megyn Kelly, Bill O鈥橰eilly, and others all attest to this. Once they left Fox, they largely disappeared from the public consciousness. But I would argue that, in the last few years, Carlson became bigger than Fox itself. Just like Donald Trump upended Republican politics, Carlson has upended conservative media. Now, as he strikes out on his own, he鈥檚 going to test that proposition. Is Fox still the 800-pound gorilla of conservative media? Or has conservative media鈥攁nd conservative politics鈥攃hanged so much in the past few years that someone like Carlson can maintain his power (and influence) without Fox鈥檚 platform?

Your planned release for this book is in 2024, a presidential election year. What role do you hope your book will play in 2024?

Tucker Carlson envisions himself as a kingmaker in Republican politics, beginning with the 2024 Republican presidential primaries. He has a clear vision of the direction he wants the GOP鈥攁nd, by extension, the country鈥攖o take. It鈥檚 hard to imagine the 2024 Republican presidential nominee鈥攚hether it鈥檚 Donald Trump, Ron DeSantis, or someone else鈥攂eing a candidate who hasn鈥檛 kissed Tucker鈥檚 ring and checked his ideological boxes. I hope my book will elucidate Carlson鈥檚 agenda and reveal the stakes for the Republican Party, and the country, should it prevail in November 2024.


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